Rob Gardner has co-founded a pensions consultancy, built an education charity, and just launched his first children’s book, aimed at getting kids to start building good financial habits.

We put Rob to the test. Can he convince 14-year-old Jessie to start saving her pocket money?

Plus we show you how to persuade someone to take a bit of short-term pain for some long-term gain.

Listen below or download from Apple Podcasts.